Brigadier Chapman:(This is the original “resilience “ quote.)
"DSTL (Porton Down) have a number of immediate response teams. Those immediate response teams have been used a number of times this year. If they are not used we would argue that is probably a sign of success because of increasing civil resilience.

continued —
"The number of occasions they have been used and the circumstances I cannot obviously go into at this forum. Every civil power is aware of what can be brought to bear across a capability framework. The Protect framework and what the scientific support community can bring, all those who need to know seem to be aware because they are used on a regular basis."

Mr Ainsworth:
"MoD's ability to counter-terrorism in the maritime environment: MoD's responsibility with regards to rapid reaction in the air environment; and right through the whole spectrum to how you deal with a flu pandemic ..."

Mr Holloway:
"As a Military man you and, I guess, I, in my pathetic military career, were always told if you wanted to win an insurgency you did not need coordination forums, focus groups, secretariat, yet more self-licking lollipop process; we were told that you had to have unity of command and unity of purpose. Do we have either in the UK at the moment on this ... ?

Mr Hancock:
"I understand the implications, because it is about the ministers giving up power and nobody wants to do that.".”

Mr Day: (NB He is not listed as attending the group, and only makes this one single contribution — !?)
"As far as what the MoD is bringing is concerned, in terms of the operations we are conducting we bring the defence perspective, we bring the capabilities, we bring a level of understanding about operations and policy that does not exist anywhere else in Government. In terms of counter-terrorism and Resilience […] we bring a range of niche capabilities and a “back-up”, if you like. It is very difficult to explain when you are not part of it …
We are able to produce a strategy for Afghanistan that integrates and has the buy-in of very, very different actors from defence, through to DFID, through to the agencies ... "

Admiral Lord West of Spithead:
"For example, if we come into Resilience, ...

continued — ... there are a number of departments responsible and it gets pushed right down to a local level, so local government actually has its local Resilience forums and actually produces plans for things. [...] Now we have this overall stragegy it makes things a lot easier."

Mr Hancock:
"Can I ask a direct question of the Cabinet Office about Resilience. Do you know exactly at this moment how many members of the Armed Forces there are, where they are located, and what they would be able to do if you needed them? Do you know that now? If Resilience means anything it means they ought to know because the Ministry of Defence would have told them on a pretty regular basis."

Admiral Lord West of Spithead (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Security and Counter-Terrorism, Home Office):
"In the area, for example, of counter-terrorism [...] they have produced a defence, counter-terrorism and Resilience capabilities compendium - this never existed before - which the OSCT can look at; it says what operations they are involved in; what they are doing; what forces are available for certain things."

Mr Ainsworth:
"Capability is the compendium we have already talked about, and you can see that yourselves. It is a classified document, so we cannot make it ....."
[...]
"They are using it. There are requests for their assistance that come to me on a regular basis".[...]
"The purpose of The Compendium is to make sure that people know exactly what is available to them."

Mr Hancock:
"What are you doing about making sure those other agencies and departments know what is available there?"

Mr Ainsworth:
"[...] Defence capability is being used by lots of different people on lots of different occasions. It is difficult to go into specifics for obvious reason but they are being used. The purpose of creating The Compendium is to give greater visibility to everybody who needs so that they can use that capability."

Admiral Lord West of Spithead:
"What Establishment are we talking about?"

Mr Hancock:
"This is the Counter-Terrorism Science and Technology Centre at DSTL"  ...

Mr Ainsworth:
"If you put a single person in charge of the whole of the National Security environment, or the counter-terrorism environment in that regard, then that single minister winds up being responsible for MoD's ability to counter-terrorism in the ... "